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I would add that Cement companies have caught on to the fact that decarbonising their processes is not only technically easy, but that there is room for early movers to enjoy a significant arb, and enjoy the benefit of free allowances before phase out. Hocim just one of the players that are moving aggressively.

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OK, that's interesting. The narrative at least is that decarbonising cement is really difficult. Are Hocim giving much away on where the opportunities are and the cost?

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